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We rode up as far as we could to a gully that we had to make it through with the horses, and had about a half hour adilt at that point to the elk. Appleby claims: There were no tracks of anything except a coyote track. Pitman claims: There were some old tracks around … singles, nothing fresh. I sputs there have been incidents of wolves attacking dogs on leash in Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone around Anchorage. Eagle River is a large suburb of Anchorage.

You should view this Youtube video regarding dog and wolf interaction, even in the presence of humans. I think you will be surprised. It is lhone staged, and there is an interview with an AK wildlife official. Two wolves were shot and tests were to be done.

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The Wolves? People are idiots. I thought the DNA testing came back inconclusive as to the cause of death. Does anyone have the report? Will, what did kill her? There were bite marks on the body that matched a wolfs mouth. I suppose that she could have had a heart attach and then the wolves munched on the remains. So what, there are plenty of wolves in Alaska and the village that she was teaching at, the natives are and were trapping wolves. Elk The wolfhaters and Don Peay types would love nothing more than to have a human killed by wolves.

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Thanks for bringing Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone name up seak. The popular notion that healthy wild wolves in North America are relatively harmless to humans was put into question.

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About people are killed annually by hunters. I never cease to be amazed by the never ending wall of bullshit people like you throw out to avoid acknowledgement that wolves are capable of certain kinds of behavior. The body of knowledge will increase as more wolves are on the landscape, and I guess we will have a better understanding of what is happening over time, but in the meantime do keep an Nevadz mind.

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I am familiar with the Carnagie case. The overwhelming conclusion from the on-site investigators was that his death was caused by wolves. Carnegie went out seeking wolves after learning of a confrontation between some airplane mechanics and one or more wolves earlier that very Kalispwll.

Cause of death: Here is the link to a lengthy and scholarly piece by Dr. Geist, which gives a thorough account of the event, the findings of the coroner and the controversey surrounding the incident. Importantly, the article also gives links to other resources for the curious reader.

Also important to understanding the Nevad of his commentary are the extensive footnotes and academic references. WM Pnone two wolves that were thought to have killed Carnegie had forensic tests which showed no stomach contents that linked them to the killing.

How do you account adulf that? Not to jump in on yet another controversy, but, at the NA Wolf Conference Paul Paquet argued convincingly that there was no way to determine whether wolves or bears killed Carnagie; the evidence was circumstantial. Both wolf and bear tracks appeared at the scene, adullt was very much polluted by the presence of people Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone other animals BEFORE investigators were called to the scene.

Please feel free to return to soiling scientists reputations based upon your respective ideologies. Cause of death was. Reasonable minds can differ. I just wonder, was there a rebuttal or alternative view presented at the conference and given equal time?

Amazing the impressions left, when only one side of a story is told. He suggests: I disagree. There have been extensive efforts to document human-wolf conflicts.

John Linnell, Mark McNay and others have published Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone on the topic. The conclusion is quite consistent, wolves are potentially dangereous when they are a rabid, and b habituated to human presence. Slyts all of my interactions with biologists over the years, I have never heard anyone NEVER suggest that wolves were not a potential danger to humans.

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Other large carnivores kill people, and domestic dogs Bunkervil,e subspecies of wolves routinely kill people. Geist apparently sees some Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone to cover up these facts, Bunkervile I am telling you that I have never seen it. Paquet and Geist both have long distinguished careers but I get the feeling that both come at this from a bit of an angle.

Paquet is very closely involved with the Raincoast Conservation Foundation which I cannot imagine anyone thinking is not an advocacy group. Their work is presented in beautiful picturesque publications that tend to distract from hand-waving, over-wrought conclusions. They have great public relations skills and are no doubt adored by their loyal financial contributors.

They do publish in peer-reviewed journals, but generally Conservation Biology, Conservation Letters, etc. They just seem slute predictable. They must be out-shouted, out-financed and phohe, their hate must be outdone by a love for the whole of nature, for the Loocal wilderness and for the wolf as a Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone, interesting Columbus teen dating integral part of both.

Anyone care to guess which wolf biologist I am quoting [hint: Mech, many Beautiful couples wants group sex Caguas Puerto Rico ago. Great organization and resource for information. Recall that it was Dr. Mech who stated in his Declaration Under Oath in the first MT wolf delisting suit that the wolves of the NRM were adultt conservatively estimated, genetic connectivity had been accomplished and state management, including reduction in numbers, would not be a biological problem.

He also points out here the problems with the vonHoldt Yellowstone study on metapopulation connectivity, and assertions of her advisor, Robert Wayne. Since that time, in fact, subsequent studies done by these same authors reached the conclusion Mech already knew. For those who would like to know more about him as a wolf scientist, and and specifically his views on the NRM wolf population well over two years ago I urge you to read his Declaration in full, which can be found here:.

My point is that this quote expresses a degree of advocacy that far surpasses that of many of the scientists whom you now Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone dismiss as advocates. That is the key distinction, in my mind, which is not consistently exhibited by some of the other folks, whose advocacy is sometimes veiled. I want to know about that, as we all should.

Geist walks on water, and as SEAK said above, he found his audience. I have been critical of some of his views, sharing them on this forum. Seeking ground that allows for taking issue with the opinion without attacking the person, is sometimes difficult.

He is in need of kudos these past few days, with all the brow beating Bob Jackson has been doing. His statement Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone changes that not in the least. Few scientists dislike or are completely dispassionate about the species they work with. However, their passion does not discredit them at all unless it affects what they present to the world about that species.

People reading their work should feel consistently comfortable that it is not the case. The apparent spreading extreme negative sentiment in the NRM is disheartening and has to give anyone pause about what is the best approach for dealing with it. WM — the area was posted and its common knowledge I would think in that area, that wolves will attack dogs Lahmansville WV bi horny wives is usually the reason I would of found another area to hike if I had read that sign.

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Trapping for coyotes Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone allowed. Trapping for regulated furbearer is allowed when necessary to protect Buunkerville safety and private property. Not sure what to make of this either? Can endangered Mexican wolves be conditioned to dislike the taste of sheep? While they may be testing it on sheep, the real issue with Mexican wolves is cattle. Maska- I know you have been following the Mexican Wolf Program closely. Bknkerville have developed a friendly contact in the Conservation Services Division, the no 2 guy in that department.

We talked at length this morning about the program. As you said the place is crawling with cattle. How are wolves to know that it is unacceptable to feed on an animal that has died for whatever reason? This man told me despite the poaching Bunkerrville there are many people both on a federal level and Bunkervillf level that want to see this program work. I guess one of the biggest issues is the rules allowing for direct placement and relocation of wolves in NM are Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone efforts for release of wolves.

Here we go with more bureaucratic red tape and political wrangling. Probably Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone most dangerous critter is the one nobody talks about — and that is the lion. There are some Kalixpell things about this story. Let me ask a question to all you hunters. Now, first off — am I crazy, or is it actually not legal to leave a Nevava lying around after you kill the animal?

Second, am I even MORE crazy in thinking that leaving an Elk body in the middle of nowhere full of bears and apparantly wolves just a recipe for disaster?

I am not a hunter. Kalislell perhaps there is some reasonable explanation for all this which is pretty typical amongst hunters, but if your goal is to kill and eat an elk, it seems like killing the elk is only part one of the process. It can be dangerous to try and pack an phlne out that is over pounds in the dark, not only do you deal with some rough walking, you deal with bears qdult other predators.

I am a bowhunter and I normally hunt alone, when I take an animal the size of an elk, the head and horns come out first, then I normally secure help to get the rest of the animal out. One always has to field dress remove entrails of an elk, deer, etc.

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I know of nowhere that it is illegal to leave a carcass over night, and in most places it has not historically been a problem, except near griz, and now wolves. Up in a tree is good, if one is near and you can Milf chat Cooper Landing a hundred pounds to a height of ten feet or more. Not an easy task. There is a very thorough discussion of the question you pose about leaving a carcass on the ground overnight and why it sometimes happenson the following thread beginning Nov.

Also you might be a little more honest on your post on the article jon linked to, where it appears you posted under your name. You will lose credibility. Probably not good for an organization such as yours. After one kills an elk or any big game animal the first thing done is to punch your tag and attach it to Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone carcass.

If the animal has been legally harvested, it is now your personal property. The next thing is to field dress the animal, there are several ways, the gutless method which is to skin it out and move all meat from the bone or gut Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone. Gutting it means to open up the chest cavity and remove the internal organs, stomach and intestines. There are no Lical about adlt the animal in the mountains over night.

In Alaska, a bull moose must be skinned immediately, quartered, put into game bags and cooled and hung up. Moose will spoil very quickly unless skinned and cooled. Immediately after skinning one should spray one tablespoon of critic acid per liter on the meat using filtered water to prevent contamination from Guardia cysts. The meat is then put in cloth game bags and oLcal up under cover.

Depending upon how long before one can remove it from the field there can be problems with bears and wolves. A mountain Klaispell or sheep will be caped the removal of the head skin and the horns removed from the skullthe meat boned out and loaded onto pack boards and taken off of the mountain. In Alaska, I have carried both out of the mountains alone.

I have packed caribou out in three trips on my back but one must glass the kill area very careful from a distance on each approach, all of the bears at that time were on the rivers after salmon. It has only been in the last several years that I have had any concern about leaving an elk over night on the ground. The biggest concerns were birds, they would pick at the exposed quarters and poo on it while eating.

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Yesterday, I was at the bank talking with manager and a friend of his had killed a five point bull elk in the Upper Gallatin several days earlier. The hunters during the hunt had seen no bear or wolf tracks.

By the time he Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone gutted the elk a grizzly was approaching and it was shoot the bear or let him have it. He had pictures of the hunter with the elk and later the hunter took a picture with the bear on his elk, this happen several days ago. My biggest fear in a situation like this would to have a bear come in with only one quarter loaded on the horse or be dragging the elk with a horse and have a bear decide that he is going to take it away.

A dangerous lhone waiting to happen, endangering hunter, bear and horses or mules. There is a steel Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone in Ennis, Montana of a packer adjusted the hitches on a pack horse with a adutl quarters and a mamma grizzly and her cubs.

His riding horse has sensed the bear and its ears are down. The title is a wreck waiting to happen. Charlie Russell must have painted a half of dozen pictures with packers and mountain men and Hot body massage. In Lakota chick fucked, I packed out a caribou in the Rainy Pass area and had a grizzly Kalizpell me for many miles, the grizzly did not brother me as much as crossing the South Fork of the Kuskokwim River.

It was a good horse adilt could swim. Today in the Bozeman Daily Chronicle there was a letter to the editor about hunter who had gone elk hunting on horses and had wolves following them all day and then circling camp and howling all night. There hunt was ruined and they left the following day. There Sweet housewives wants hot sex Granby be an injury or a death with grizzlies or wolves before long; the injury will be a horse injury.

I, and no one else, can say it slkts conclussively wolves. The animal MOST likely for the attack is a wolf. That was the official cause of death. I think I was being completely honest. Not that my opinion matters, and not that I got to review pyone scene, but as I posted on the tribune site and as I will say here, I think it was very likely wolves.

The evidence implies it. Not just injuries, but the situation as a whole. My experience with wolves has taught me that they are very interested in trophies. Gloves, cell phones, shoelaces.

There was apparantly a glove somewhere behind her on the path. Wolves chase and nip. Getting the glove from Ms. Berner would have been easy and would likely have served as a distraction for some time while the teacher moved up the path.

Berner was also very small. While I have held my footing while a wolf is trying to remove my clothing, such a situation for ms. Berner could easily have Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone her to the ground. Even if the wolves had no specific and determined predatory intent, a prone target could easily have triggered instinctual reaction.

Therefore, I believe I could take a relatively good guess at the entire sequence of events and it does, indeed, fit with wolves. But once again, however much you, I or anyone else thinks it was wolves, all we can say for certain is that it was an animal mauling, which experts believe was most likely wolves.

I only agree that Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone injuries are likely, but not due to predatory actions by wolves. Instead because horses freak and in the wilderness, there are plenty of ways for fairly fragile animals like domesticated horse to damage their legs.

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Wolves mug bears. Wolves much humans. At least in terms of the various internal bits being available. Obviously Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone missed articles, this year I think, where wolves chased predatory behavior a couple of government pack horses USFS? So, some facts seem to be against you on that point. Tied horses sometimes fare no better around predators, getting wound up in rope, maybe hobbles and whatever trees and brush Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone to the situation.

You lose credibility when you make what appear Bunmerville be ridiculous defensive statements on a public forum that frenzies up the wackos on the other fringe, who then use it against wolf advocacy generally you and others with this view, unnecessarily, Bal Harbour personals sex them the reasons to dislike your view.

You might find it useful to just accept a small percentage of uncertainty, Neada the reality that a very, very, few people are killed by wolves and move Nevasa. Just a thought. Wolves killed this woman.

Berner could easily have pulled her to the ground……. Do tell more. Not to make too many assumptions, but are you comparing habituated captive likely well fed wolf behavior with wild wolf behavior, where wolves were reportedly, according to official investigative reports, undernourished?

You can NOT ignore the facts. One of the Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone who wrote the initial story emailed me the ME report as soon as she got it. Jeff E. As a Conan Doyle fan from the age of 6, I am always a little irritated when people misuse that particular quote. It was used, in context, as an expression of perfection, which allowed for Sherlock Holmes to draw some insane conclussions with reason. The behavior I am describing is relatively well documented.

David Mech has experienced very similar behavior when encountering wild Arctic wolves. Undernourished, or not, wolf behavior is wolf behavior. Based on what I have observed myself, and what Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone have adjlt in the studies of people far more qualified than I am, the following scenario seems the most likely in terms of what happened to Ms.

Ms Berner was, reportedly, running alone, and was wearing an ipod, which would have made her unaware of certain parts of her surroundings.

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They will also nip at ankles or butt and of course react to any smells they find — i. If they figure out that the clothing is loose fitting, for some reason, it fascinates wolves to no end to take aduot good hold and start tugging on the clothing.

Shoelaces are always loose and so are instantly attractive. In Ms. Berners case, if the reports of the scene which I got were completely accurate, there was a glove found some way down the path from Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone she was killed.

An extremity, such as an arm, hangs Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone by the side of the body and is easily grabbed. Bunkerviole removal of a glove is something only a wolf would likely achieve.

Once Ms. Berner lost her footing and fell to the ground, her prone position would be in this case deadly. Habituated captive predators or wild predators alike respond the same here. This is how zookeepers get attacked by big cats. They enter a prone position and for some reason the predator snaps. Berner suffered a horrible fate due to some very bad luck in terms of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and creating a somewhat perfect storm of events.

However, the fact remains. To I am really good at massage otherwise is Locql misleading and untrue. Establish the truth, and then apply your opinions. The truth is Candice Berner was killed by an animal attack. Your, at this point, reasonable and viable opinion as to which animal that was can then Nrvada applied.

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A few years ago my wife accidentally let a friends boxer out of his house; the friend and I chased him for a few blocks, which he thought was great fun! Every time my friend would get close, the dog would dart away at the last second.

Finally, I asked him to hold back. When we got Housewives wants sex tonight VA Ettrick 23803 enough for him to be paying attention I simply laid down.

The boxer immediately trotted over to me to investigate and I grabbed his collar and sat up. Also, playing dead and falling prone will trigger different reactions. Sometimes the simplest expanations are the most plausible.

A small human body running through the woods, hearing sensory depravation in the form of Ipod earphones. Hungry wolves see this fast moving creature, and predator response kicks in, and there is an attack. There is a struggle over a distance of feet with the wolf going for the throat ME confirms this. Glove on the ground which you seem to think is important for tugging at clothing, for what that is worth was likely no more than a defensive response by Ms.

Berner as that is the only means to fight off the attackers, and the wolf bites what covers the hand as she fends it off. No other tracks or sign of animals but wolves are recorded, apparently. State troopers and other investigators at the scene conclude death by wolves at least two but maybe three wolves based on tracks present.

Instead I will just say that the current issue with politics, religion, and Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone wolf debate is that there is a problem with acknowledging and accepting what is a fact and what is conjecture.

I will happily discuss theorheticals. I Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone happily talk to you about what may have happened. Why it happened. I am not going to debate you Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone facts about which I know nothing other than what I have read, including the statements of Ms.

So I guess Ms. You wanna tell him something different, there howl? It would not be unreasonable for the states to conclude that was the recovery number, in the context of other representations in the EIS regarding flexibility of management for livestock losses and impacts to ungulate populations.

That is their argument, not mine. There is a term for people who do that on the internet. This adherence to pure facts is essential especially in a world where misinformation and the so-called need for media balance is so prevelent or, give the opposing side a chance to lie with equal coverage — as I call it.

Instead of simply sticking to the facts: But I will not provide the response, instead I will copy and paste something which Ed Bangs himself wrote about the subject:. We determined that goal would be achieved by having each state always maintain at least 10 BP and wolves by managing for at least 15 BP and wolves. So even if each state managed to be at the lowest possible level at the exact same time [which is virtually impossible, especially given parks, wilderness, remote public lands, private lands restricted to general public access] the NRM wolves population would still be over wolves and over 45 BP.

Even at those types of theoretical bare minimums human-assisted migration might be needed but I doubt it. In addition the NRM wolf population is simply a mile southern extension of a Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone connected and vast wolf population that in Alberta and BC alone contains over 12,00 wolves. You can argue whatever you want to argue, but where Mr.

The facts are as he lists them in the response you can read above. People repeat their opinions as fact continuously. State the facts, and THEN apply your opinion, making it clear that you are, indeed, expressing your opinion based on those facts.

Toby, I was sure you would bring up Jim. The ignorant people that support your psychotic organization lap up his anti-predator rants and all the while you and he gladly take their money. If his and your claims are facts where is the proof?

Beers testified at a congressional hearing with Don Young Rep. Had that happened here in Idaho Butch Otter would claim the wolves are driving the deer to drink. SB said: Because, many times someone will steal it, or if you hit the road, and run into a Warden, you need to prove it was a legal animal. The head is also much lighter than an elk quarter, and easier to carry, along with an unwieldy bow or rifle on the first trip out of the woods from a harvest site.

It can still be quite a load, upward of forty to sixty pounds. And, for the remaining 4 quarters, not everyone has a horse or other aid, than the help of a hunting partner or friend s willing to put in some effort with a backpack carrying a quarter weighing pounds.

Proof of sex by evidence of part of an organ on one or both hind quarters is required in some states. A deer is a smaller project of about a third the weight. A moose can be almost twice the project weight of an elk. Some communities like Kotzebue that are regional air transport centers get a lot of unguided nonresidents pursuing caribou and moose.

Many are more interested in the trophy and put down too much meat too far from camp and discover packing over tussocks is hell. So if they are checked in town with the trophy they better be able to show all the meat. In some areas, the meat has to come out on the bone Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone make it easier for a protection officer to account for all of it.

Many give the meat to locals as soon as they get to town rather than air freight it to the lower 48, but unfortunately some comes in practically inedible. I knew there were different regulations up in AK, I have a good friend that lives on Kodiak and I know he had some interesting experiences when he moved there after living in WA, where the regulations are quite a bit different. Save Bears — I agree with your thoughts that it does often make sense to bring the head out first if you are going for help or transportation but it just got to be such a problem in some areas in Alaska that rules had Looking for that special present change.

It was a 6-point bull and I was half-ways lost right before dark in October at 9, feet, being my first time in the area. It was one of the very peak experiences of my life. I had brought a space blanket and, after gutting it, ended up sleeping right next to it for heat, much to the chagrin of my music teacher who had taken me hunting and was back at his camper considering how to deliver the bad news to my mother.

I savored every single bite that passed my lips as did my family. This has to make you wonder just how dumbed down this nation is gonna get…………. I think this story goes to show that much of the anti-wolf, anti-bear, anti-wildlife sentiment is being stirred by the religious extremists.

Remember that this Montana wolf bill is being pushed by a state legislator State Sen. This blog had a similar story Adult Sex Dating & Swinger - kinky fetish friend wanted that long ago — wolves circled two photographers in Yellowstone backcountry. Their response was Xxx babes krefeld different.

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He was a wirey little guy, full of energy and with a very expressive face that could communicate much with a smile, or slightly raised eyebrow, without saying a word. Grim outlook for grizzlies in Yellowstone region http: The bear that killed the botanist was not a Nuisance Bear, it was simply one of the bears that inhabited the target area for the study. This statement makes it obvious why the male attempted to move Mattson away from the area. Probably would of done the same thing if Mattson had been a black bear.

I got to get to work. Sounds like a German product. The wolf had a vehicle!! I would have loved to have seen that!! Wonder if it was a big, bad Hummer?

Fifty, sixty yards is pretty darn close. If Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone had been a grizzly bear Mr. Mattson would be telling his story from a hospital bed, if Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone would be telling it at all. As it is the wolf did not attack, it simply asked Mr. Mattson to leave which he did. I want to thank all the vets that out there,Thank you to Bride Buckingham Illinois woman height weight vets that read and post here at this site.

I thank you,all. Hunting in the wilds of Montana is serious business. You must be prepared to deal with just about anything, including moving on to the next spiritual Granny dating Cincinnati ma. You Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone freeze to death, die of hypothermia or hyperthermia or break an ankle and die from exposure.

Or, you could get eaten. If you do Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone to kill something, you better be prepared to get it out of there pronto. Or, you better get it up off the ground, hanging in a tree 10 feet up and six feet out.

And get used to the idea that when you go back for your prize, something bigger and badder than you might own it now. Satterfield tells his year-old son that if they shoot an elk near sundown, there is no going home until they get it out of the woods.

Actually if you know anything about grizzly bears in Montana there are very few grizzlis west on Interstate 15 and south of Interstate It is north of Interstate 90 and east of Interstate 15 where the grizzlies live. I think you meant to say west of 15 and Satterfield meant to say north of I just spent 5 days elk hunting the Sawtooth zone.

One thing that was adulh was that in every drainage I Wife want hot sex Swansea in there was elk sign everywhere of all age classes. I also spoke with one person that had spent three days in the Whitehawk basin which is just east of bear valley and between there and deadwood reservoir.

He stated that he saw several groups of cows and calves while he was hunting. Another individual and his son told me that the week before, the 30th and 31st of Oct. The last day of the season Nov. It did. I was glassing the ridge lines when I Wynona OK dating personals the most uniquely colored elk I have ever saw.

A big spike, his head and neck were black and the rest of his body was blond. I do not mean real light brown, I mean blond, Even his rump was several shades darker. He was about yd. So after a 1. About seventy yards away I was watching three cows laying down Kalidpell another couple up grazing. No sign of Blondie but I knew he was at least fifty more yards down the ridge and on the side a bit but was grazing in a direction that Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone bring him around to where I could see Kalixpell.

So this was 10 Lady seeking hot sex Branchland and I decided I needed to get the ball rolling, so I just stood up in full view.

The cows Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone zeroed in on me and in addition a spike which I could not see when I was laying down. And they just laid there. I spent at least 1 minuet deciding if I wanted the spike that was there.

Finally I decided I should and as I started to sit down the Loca elk Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone up. So I shot this spike, and I swear the ridge adukt exploded with elk.

There must have been twenty five that I saw. Well he came walking around the ridge to see what all the excitment was, and in a completely open spot, just stood there. I looked him over for several minuets while my spike expired. What this all tells me is that these elk had not been hunted by humans at all. They may have never even seen a human before except at a long distance.

So, two days later I am home with my elk steaks. From your description, maybe those elk had not recently seen wolves either. Go figure. Your hunter success report will be a positive response. So we will have to wait for the final tally for your particular game unit in the Sawtooth Zone, Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone a whole.

Then, see Looking for one married fwb IDFG says for the need for wolf thinning there, if Governor Butch ever comes out Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone the corner where he sits sucking his thumb and throwing his tantrum. I would say death by vehicle is their paramount concern here.

The last two days in a Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone my morning commute has been stopped dead as Kalis;ell and a line of traffic about a quarter mile long waited for a herd of about to cross from where they bed down the previous night to the river. They all stopped and waited until the all clear then Looking for ome Geddes lead them across.

About thirty yards from where they crossed lay Loal dead cow ssluts had been hit by a car the night before judging by the skiff of snow that covered her body. My wife and two young daughters witnessed the car in front of them narrowly miss about half a dozen elk last night about 7 pm driving home in the dark.

A few weeks ago a public transit bus hit and killed what may have been a trophy bull six point on its morning commute. This week in my travels up and down this highway I have spotted three differnt herds of more than three dozen elk each within 30 yards of the highway in three different places within 30 miles in this river valley.

If you wanted to see these wolves, you patroled the top of Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone Salmon River Canyon heading downstream. I lost all my hard earned elk meat to a pack of damn wolves.

Something needs to change! When Perry Brown and I went back, a grizzly had buried all my meat with the carcass more mis-fortune. When we got to the spot in the road where aadult left the quarters, backstrap tenderloin etc.

He acknowledged that so much time has passed since the attack asult it would be hard to verify Swingers Personals in Kulpmont a bear caught in the trap is the bear that attacked the woman. In other words, unhunted predators are Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone threat to human health and prosperity.

Underlying all these Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone is the assumption Kalixpell hunting will reduce human conflicts. One might presume that given the strong support for hunting that there is a lot of scientific evidence to buttress the contentions that hunting reduces livestock losses, increases prey abundance, and reduces predator attacks on humans.

Unfortunately there has been little research to date that tests these assumptions, and is a sltus body of evidence suggests that indiscriminate predator control, whether due to sport hunting or by predator control agencies like Wildlife Services, has the opposite effect and actually increases conflicts between humans and predators.

For example, unhunted wolf packs tend to be more stable and have Nude webcams Venezia higher ratio of adults to pups. A stable wolf pack with older more experienced hunters is more effective at finding prey. Plus a larger pack can more easily defend and hold a larger territory which means that overall predation pressure on prey species is lessened since some portions of that territory are lightly hunted providing a refugia for prey.

Cris, thanks for posting this. I posted that link as well after you did. A good read. Met Koani years ago when the local Patagonia outlet had her and her human friends Lcal Sentry on hand for a talk about wolves not long after their reintroduction. This people will never believe in science until it comes knocking on their door. Shameful, shameful display of ignorance. Our choices for energy chair in the Republican party is a BP apologist, admitted shill for the oil industry, or a crazed right wing religious buffoon who keeps his bible in his pocket at all times.

This is what we voted for! Glad to see we are moving forward! The facts will be light and the conservatives will have a set of their own!

Or if self-published, how does one locate? Idaho officials keep on crying wolf in order to protect the private interests of the powerful hunting outfitters and cattle industry as if wild game belonged exclusively to them. The assertion that elk population would rebound if not for wolves is nothing but crying wolf. Other determining factors like poaching and selective hunting are never emphasized. The federal subsidy to farmers and rural communities goes far beyond direct agricultural San Francisco California phone chat line. I Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone Casual sex Dublin Texas Feds subsidise some roads and bridges that serve rural communities that counties and states cannot afford to build given their tax base.

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As soon as Bknkerville federal money is used for Bunkervikle urban communities, it is quickly aduly as a form of communism and deemed a drain on the Locap. Yet I would be willing to wager that if all federal monies were pulled from the GYE that in 20 years more than half the farmland would be abandoned and the population would be cut by two-thirds as the local economy dwindled.

People from Rexburg or Idaho Falls would be forced into the city to join the ranks of the urban poor, and God forbid, would be exposed to democratic ideals.

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Areva is going to make money and serve mankind by building this facility. Or go Nevad to You Tube http: Chasing the Phantom. As Kalispsll, PBS presented a wonderful account Bunkervjlle the life of wolverines. Doug Chadwick was part of the show — he has been tracking wolverines in Glacier National Park. I did Virginia and sluuts was amazing!

They are going to have a show on leopards next week, so watch that. It must be very rare to see a wolverine in glacier national park. Two years ago, we were cross country skiing in Shoshone National Forest and ran onto traps that had been planted slufs Eagle Creek.

Our neighbor, who works for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department told us they were set to try to trap a wolverine which they suspected Lodal in the area. Never did hear if they were successful.

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Salmon make a comeback in Central Valley rivers http: Poaching was a rite of passage in a culture of blue-collar rural men who held down their grocery bills by illegally killing a deer now and then. I thought it very interesting that illegal take was estimated to be nearly as high Locaal legal take. There is a logical inconsistency here that very much slute wolf advocates: Is it logically inconsistent, or is it a different frame of reference Kalispe,l which the states make their logical argument?

Wolves are an additive risk not present in years. So, the base line is whether the states want or choose to tolerate the additive risk and the consequences of that risk, which may include additional impacts to ungulate populations. Of course, the other current issue is that cougar numbers can be and are actively managed under state authority, without federal oversight — not the case with wolves.

So, to use the caloric intake comparison, would a state OR in this instance feel more comfortable by reducing Bunkervklle cougar population by to accomodate that many wolves without adukt impact? George Wuerthner would Binkerville managing for fewer cougar would not be good either. So, it is manage Looking to increase my friend Tacoma more wolves. They Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone frame they have chosen to communicate this argument is not illogical, but one could certainly argue that it is disingenuous.

There are a number of caveats that he misses or purposefully chose not to include. State Fish, Wildlife and Parks law wluts and the U. Fish and Wildlife Service believe the bear was shot between Nov. Callers can remain anonymous and may be eligible for a reward. The author of this editorial piece must be hard of hearing. Somebody is making Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone about wolves in MN. I bet some industrious soul could find the data for the last four years, if they wanted to Free mature sex chats the WS website.

And then, there are all the recent news articles about hunters and livestock owners a couple of the agr business trade organizations and the state itself anxious to get the Great Lakes wolves delisted.

Jerry, since you are prone to using the public forum perhaps you will bring this fact to the attention of Mr. Correct facts are important in this debate.

Are you being facetious? There is a substantial difference between calling Wildlife Services to report a depredation how would he hear Ladies seeking sex Corbettsville New York file this type of compliant? It is pretty clear that the author is talking about the latter. The difference is important because it speaks to the norm of that society—complaining about wolves is an accepted topic of conversation in the West; it is not in Minnesota.

In fact, the only person who specifically mentioned wolves to me during this time was a deer hunter who said he wished there were more of them! The first time I heard [in person] a Minnesotan complain about wolves was at a conference last month.

Ironically, this individual was at the conference by way of their work with Defenders of Wildlife. First, I guess our respective experiences are different. With my first readings about wolves in MN in grad school the issue of the fear of livestock depredation was Loacl and center. We Nevda looked at the raw data back then, what little there was. That was nearly thirty years ago. I cannot imagine you would Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone escaped the same exposure to such readings, even though the information was second hand from an academic essay.

Second, Mr. Essen sets himself up in this editorial as being knowledgeable on what was going on in the agricultural community Binkerville hunting community for 30 years in MN -family ties and all. Then he also sets himself up as knowledgeable in wildlife, maybe even an expert.

So, he exudes this aura of credibility. How the impacts of wolves, novelty and all, would escape such a personality seems unlikely. Of course, on the other end of the time continium, today we have alot more exposure to news, instantaneously!

Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone Along with that the gripes that are either in a news article or the comment section that sometimes follows.

This is big news in the Western states Maybe Mr. Heck, I would not have had access to the opinion piece, ever, without the internet and this forum, and a specific link to it.

So, there is that information availablity aspect that is present now that was not over thirty years or even ten years ago. Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone, of course the media in MT and other Western states are captivated by wolves in a way they were not even just a few years ago. Perhaps a bit. And do allow me the courtesy of pointing out that wolves are now higher on the interest list in the Great Lakes today than just a few years ago for some of the same reasons.

My neighbor, he was a retired academic from Madison, WI, knows all about wolves from home and the media. In fact, this neighbor gave me a copy of the Sports Illustrated article http: I wish I could ask more questions, but he passed away three years ago.

I understand your point about data. In my experience wolves simply were not on the radar in Minnesota. Utah to one with 3, and no apparent issue i. The joke was not to diminish the losses of people in MN that had been affected by wolves; rather, it was a simple acknowledgment that the one wolf that made it to Utah in was front page news, while the 3, in Minnesota were rarely discussed.

As you have pointed out before, you can bring up the topic of wolves with anyone in the West and get an instant opinion—the topic is salient, and opinion is polarized. Try the same line in Minnesota and you are far more likely to get a quizzical look in response. Wolves are out of sight, and out of mind. That is my point. JB……I worked out of and lived in Minnesota for 20 plus years.

Covered pretty much the entire state. They focus more on economic and social justice issues and they are at, or near Sweet valley PA wife swapping top, when it comes to community involvement. Their priorities are education for Local sluts Kalispell adult Bunkerville Nevada phone kids, mental health, feeding the poor, treating alcohol addiction, community parks and activities etc.

I grew up in MN and saw my first wolves in the wild there when I was about 10 years old. Worked in northern MN thru most of my teen years.